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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Simply Build a More Open Facebook: Build a Better One</title>
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	<description>Investigating privacy and security issues in online social networking</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#39;t Simply Build a More Open Facebook: Build a Better One &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more-open-facebook-build-a-better-one/comment-page-1/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#39;t Simply Build a More Open Facebook: Build a Better One &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here to read the rest: Don&#039;t Simply Build a More Open Facebook: Build a Better One &#8230;      If you enjoyed this article, please consider sharing it!            Tagged with: are-must-read [...]</description>
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		<title>By: robertmunich</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertmunich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice list.  Number 7 baby.
  
Get large enough and they will begin to block you as violating their ToS (á lá Power.com)

I am looking at Diaspora as well, but got about as far as you it looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice list.  Number 7 baby.</p>
<p>Get large enough and they will begin to block you as violating their ToS (á lá Power.com)</p>
<p>I am looking at Diaspora as well, but got about as far as you it looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: The web as an ethical layer &#171; Derivadow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The web as an ethical layer &#171; Derivadow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 13:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big issue of year. Facebook in particular have gotten regularly flamed for their ever decreasing privacy circle. Now they&#8217;re stepping outside the realms of knowing about your social network, your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] big issue of year. Facebook in particular have gotten regularly flamed for their ever decreasing privacy circle. Now they&#8217;re stepping outside the realms of knowing about your social network, your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: theharmonyguy</title>
		<link>http://theharmonyguy.com/2010/05/10/dont-simply-build-a-more-open-facebook-build-a-better-one/comment-page-1/#comment-10823</link>
		<dc:creator>theharmonyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: I certainly wasn&#039;t condemning decentralized systems, but I&#039;ve yet to see many people looking at distributed social networking address the hurdles I described.

When it comes to running your own node... yes, that&#039;s the ultimate level of control over your data. But I&#039;d submit that there&#039;s a middle ground. Think of e-mail - most people don&#039;t run their own mail servers, but they can choose which mail provider to rely on instead. It may be that in a few years there are several large &quot;Facebooks&quot; alongside many individual servers, all interacting with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: I certainly wasn&#8217;t condemning decentralized systems, but I&#8217;ve yet to see many people looking at distributed social networking address the hurdles I described.</p>
<p>When it comes to running your own node&#8230; yes, that&#8217;s the ultimate level of control over your data. But I&#8217;d submit that there&#8217;s a middle ground. Think of e-mail &#8211; most people don&#8217;t run their own mail servers, but they can choose which mail provider to rely on instead. It may be that in a few years there are several large &#8220;Facebooks&#8221; alongside many individual servers, all interacting with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at clique and am very impressed by the granularity and multiple identity support . I think it&#039;s on the right track.

Your points about the challenges of decentralization are valid, but if you don&#039;t decentralize you are forever depending on whoever operates the central server to behave themselves (Facebook being a prime example of why this might not be a good idea).  If protecting privacy is among the key goals, you have to build a decentralized ecosystem.  

You are also correct that most people won&#039;t bother running their own node.  However, I can&#039;t see how one gets real privacy and real control over one&#039;s data without doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at clique and am very impressed by the granularity and multiple identity support . I think it&#8217;s on the right track.</p>
<p>Your points about the challenges of decentralization are valid, but if you don&#8217;t decentralize you are forever depending on whoever operates the central server to behave themselves (Facebook being a prime example of why this might not be a good idea).  If protecting privacy is among the key goals, you have to build a decentralized ecosystem.  </p>
<p>You are also correct that most people won&#8217;t bother running their own node.  However, I can&#8217;t see how one gets real privacy and real control over one&#8217;s data without doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Webmaster Blog &#124; Bauplan für das nächste Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webmaster Blog &#124; Bauplan für das nächste Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Planungen für das nächste große Ding im Web anzugehen.  Joey Tyson von Social Hacking hat sich Gedanken gemacht, wie jemand vorgehen sollte, der ein besseres Facebook bauen möchte. Unter anderem empfiehlt auch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Planungen für das nächste große Ding im Web anzugehen.  Joey Tyson von Social Hacking hat sich Gedanken gemacht, wie jemand vorgehen sollte, der ein besseres Facebook bauen möchte. Unter anderem empfiehlt auch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: theharmonyguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>theharmonyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 21:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: If that&#039;s true, Diaspora is even less the sort of product I&#039;m looking for. I don&#039;t want a service that starts with privacy and then figures out features for a mass audience - I want a service that starts with using technology to enable better relationships for anyone and then pays attention to privacy as it comes into play with accomplishing that goal.

@Arjan and Karel: Thanks for the tip on Clique. I&#039;d worked with elgg some in the past, but hadn&#039;t been too impressed with it. I&#039;ll check out Clique.

But I&#039;d also reiterate what I just said to Jason about Diaspora. The current frustration with Facebook is an opportunity to build something revolutionary instead of just something &quot;more private&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: If that&#8217;s true, Diaspora is even less the sort of product I&#8217;m looking for. I don&#8217;t want a service that starts with privacy and then figures out features for a mass audience &#8211; I want a service that starts with using technology to enable better relationships for anyone and then pays attention to privacy as it comes into play with accomplishing that goal.</p>
<p>@Arjan and Karel: Thanks for the tip on Clique. I&#8217;d worked with elgg some in the past, but hadn&#8217;t been too impressed with it. I&#8217;ll check out Clique.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d also reiterate what I just said to Jason about Diaspora. The current frustration with Facebook is an opportunity to build something revolutionary instead of just something &#8220;more private&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Gorenflo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Gorenflo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool post harmony guy, the user focus and drive for simplicity resonate with me.  

One possible point of departure is that I feel that any future open Facebook should be focused on helping people work together to create a better quality of life offline.  Now more than ever, people need help.  And less and less business and government is there to help.  We need to rely on each other more.  Here&#039;s my take:

http://shareable.net/blog/facebooks-gone-rogue-the-network-we-need-now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool post harmony guy, the user focus and drive for simplicity resonate with me.  </p>
<p>One possible point of departure is that I feel that any future open Facebook should be focused on helping people work together to create a better quality of life offline.  Now more than ever, people need help.  And less and less business and government is there to help.  We need to rely on each other more.  Here&#8217;s my take:</p>
<p><a href="http://shareable.net/blog/facebooks-gone-rogue-the-network-we-need-now" rel="nofollow">http://shareable.net/blog/facebooks-gone-rogue-the-network-we-need-now</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up on Arjan&#039;s post: his comment was referring to your remark:

&quot;One other note on this point: I would love to see a service try and tackle the issue of multiple identities with a more elegant solution than letting users create multiple accounts.&quot;

This is exactly what Clique (http://clique.primelife.eu/) does; having multiple &#039;faces&#039; within one account. Warning: this is research, so don&#039;t expect commercial-grade support. Feel free to play around with it.

Plans for the coming year:
- Add time dimension: content expiry, fading relations
- enrolment wizard
- encrypted posts (server-side and/or client-side)
- ...

The project&#039;s name is PrimeLife, website:
http://www.primelife.eu/

Karel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on Arjan&#8217;s post: his comment was referring to your remark:</p>
<p>&#8220;One other note on this point: I would love to see a service try and tackle the issue of multiple identities with a more elegant solution than letting users create multiple accounts.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly what Clique (<a href="http://clique.primelife.eu/" rel="nofollow">http://clique.primelife.eu/</a>) does; having multiple &#8216;faces&#8217; within one account. Warning: this is research, so don&#8217;t expect commercial-grade support. Feel free to play around with it.</p>
<p>Plans for the coming year:<br />
- Add time dimension: content expiry, fading relations<br />
- enrolment wizard<br />
- encrypted posts (server-side and/or client-side)<br />
- &#8230;</p>
<p>The project&#8217;s name is PrimeLife, website:<br />
<a href="http://www.primelife.eu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.primelife.eu/</a></p>
<p>Karel.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out http://clique.primelife.eu/
It offers easy and expressive privacy controls.

Build more or less as a research example on open-source software (elgg) as part of an EU project on privacy management. While currently development is somewhat halted they are looking for someone and/or the elgg community to take this further.

- Arjan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://clique.primelife.eu/" rel="nofollow">http://clique.primelife.eu/</a><br />
It offers easy and expressive privacy controls.</p>
<p>Build more or less as a research example on open-source software (elgg) as part of an EU project on privacy management. While currently development is somewhat halted they are looking for someone and/or the elgg community to take this further.</p>
<p>- Arjan</p>
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